Zdravim,
Píšu ztelefonu pac mě asi Pc odešel. Nevim co mam delat vcera šel jeste normálně nevim jestli je to vir nebo co tak jsem to zařadil sem.
No chyba je takova. Pc se sekne u spouštění systému windows. Najede to az sem a tady to taky skončí nic jinýho se neděje.
Víc toho asi rict nemůžu pac to je všechno co to dělá prostě to nenajede na plochu.
Budu rád za každou řadu co s tím je to windows XP. Děkuji předem ..
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Zapni PC a ihned opakovaně mačkej F8, potom vyber Poslední známá funkční konfigurace.
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Mockrát děkuju spirite :) Pomohlo to :) Ale přijde mě že ten PC je stejně nějak podezřele pomalej, dostal jsem od bratrance pevnej disk a paměti ,ale ten system nabíhá dobrých 10 minut , a načítání stránek je taky nic moc ... Mám to zkusit přeinstalovat nebo s tím jde ješte něco dělat ? Dík :)
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Prvně zkontroluj disk - http://www.slunecnice.cz/sw/crystaldiskinfo/ a uvidíme co dál. Dej sem screen.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskInfo 5.0.5 (C) 2008-2012 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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OS : Windows XP Home Edition SP3 [5.1 Build 2600] (x86)
Date : 2012/11/30 16:36:05
-- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
-- Disk List ---------------------------------------------------------------
(1) WDC WD2500AAJS-00VTA0 : 250,0 GB [0/X/X, pd1]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) WDC WD2500AAJS-00VTA0
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Model : WDC WD2500AAJS-00VTA0
Firmware : 01.01B01
Serial Number : WD-WMART0065127
Disk Size : 250,0 GB (8,4/137,4/250,0)
Buffer Size : 8192 KB
Queue Depth : 32
# of Sectors : 488397168
Rotation Rate : Neznámy údaj
Interface : Serial ATA
Major Version : ATA8-ACS
Minor Version : ----
Transfer Mode : SATA/300
Power On Hours : 14745 hod.
Power On Count : 2477 krát
Temparature : 33 C (91 F)
Health Status : Dobrý
Features : S.M.A.R.T., AAM, 48bit LBA, NCQ
APM Level : ----
AAM Level : 80FEh [OFF]
-- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
ID Cur Wor Thr RawValues(6) Attribute Name
01 200 200 _51 000000000047 Počet chyb čtení
03 186 176 _21 0000000006A4 Čas na roztočení ploten
04 _98 _98 __0 000000000A1B Počet spuštění/zastavení
05 200 200 140 000000000000 Počet přemapovaných sektorů
07 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet chybných hledání
09 _80 _80 __0 000000003999 Hodin v činnosti
0A 100 100 __0 000000000000 Počet opakovaných pokusů o roztočení ploten
0B 100 100 __0 000000000000 Počet pokusů o překalibrování
0C _98 _98 __0 0000000009AD Počet cyklů zapnutí zařízení
C0 198 198 __0 000000000723 Počet vypnutí disku
C1 200 200 __0 000000000A1B Počet cyklů načítání/vymazání
C2 110 _96 __0 000000000021 Teplota
C4 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet udalostí s číslem realokování sektorů
C5 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet podezřelých sektorů
C6 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet neopravitelných sektorů
C7 200 200 __0 000000000003 Počet chyb v kontrolním součtu UltraDMA
C8 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet chyb při zápisu sektorů
-- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000: 427A 3FFF C837 0010 0000 0000 003F 0000 0000 0000
010: 2020 2020 2057 442D 574D 4152 5430 3036 3531 3237
020: 0000 4000 0032 3031 2E30 3142 3031 5744 4320 5744
030: 3235 3030 4141 4A53 2D30 3056 5441 3020 2020 2020
040: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 8010 0000 2F00
050: 4001 0000 0000 0007 3FFF 0010 003F FC10 00FB 0101
060: FFFF 0FFF 0000 0007 0003 0078 0078 0078 0078 0000
070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 001F 0706 0000 0044 0040
080: 01FE 0000 746B 7F61 4123 7469 BC41 4123 407F 0018
090: 0018 0000 FFFE 0000 80FE 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
100: 5970 1D1C 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 5001 4EE0
110: 004D D1B7 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 4010
120: 4010 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0029 0000
130: 0000 0000 0000 1692 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
140: 0000 0000 0004 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
150: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
200: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 303F 0000 0000 0000
210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
220: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
230: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 1000 0000 0000 0000 0000
240: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
250: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 D7A5
-- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 0F 00 C8 C8 47 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 03
010: 00 BA B0 A4 06 00 00 00 00 00 04 32 00 62 62 1B
020: 0A 00 00 00 00 00 05 33 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 07 0E 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 32
040: 00 50 50 99 39 00 00 00 00 00 0A 12 00 64 64 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 12 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 0C 32 00 62 62 AD 09 00 00 00 00 00 C0 32
070: 00 C6 C6 23 07 00 00 00 00 00 C1 32 00 C8 C8 1B
080: 0A 00 00 00 00 00 C2 22 00 6E 60 21 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 C4 32 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 12
0A0: 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 10 00 C8 C8 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 3E 00 C8 C8 03 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C8 08 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 84 00 C0 12 01 7B
170: 03 00 01 00 02 3B 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 01 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 AC
-- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 33 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 15
010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 8C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 07 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 00
040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C1 00 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 C4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C8 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D
http://www.upnito.sk/0/q6yy5z2mjzp252jg ... dqbdrr.JPG - Tady je screen
CrystalDiskInfo 5.0.5 (C) 2008-2012 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
OS : Windows XP Home Edition SP3 [5.1 Build 2600] (x86)
Date : 2012/11/30 16:36:05
-- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
-- Disk List ---------------------------------------------------------------
(1) WDC WD2500AAJS-00VTA0 : 250,0 GB [0/X/X, pd1]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) WDC WD2500AAJS-00VTA0
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Model : WDC WD2500AAJS-00VTA0
Firmware : 01.01B01
Serial Number : WD-WMART0065127
Disk Size : 250,0 GB (8,4/137,4/250,0)
Buffer Size : 8192 KB
Queue Depth : 32
# of Sectors : 488397168
Rotation Rate : Neznámy údaj
Interface : Serial ATA
Major Version : ATA8-ACS
Minor Version : ----
Transfer Mode : SATA/300
Power On Hours : 14745 hod.
Power On Count : 2477 krát
Temparature : 33 C (91 F)
Health Status : Dobrý
Features : S.M.A.R.T., AAM, 48bit LBA, NCQ
APM Level : ----
AAM Level : 80FEh [OFF]
-- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
ID Cur Wor Thr RawValues(6) Attribute Name
01 200 200 _51 000000000047 Počet chyb čtení
03 186 176 _21 0000000006A4 Čas na roztočení ploten
04 _98 _98 __0 000000000A1B Počet spuštění/zastavení
05 200 200 140 000000000000 Počet přemapovaných sektorů
07 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet chybných hledání
09 _80 _80 __0 000000003999 Hodin v činnosti
0A 100 100 __0 000000000000 Počet opakovaných pokusů o roztočení ploten
0B 100 100 __0 000000000000 Počet pokusů o překalibrování
0C _98 _98 __0 0000000009AD Počet cyklů zapnutí zařízení
C0 198 198 __0 000000000723 Počet vypnutí disku
C1 200 200 __0 000000000A1B Počet cyklů načítání/vymazání
C2 110 _96 __0 000000000021 Teplota
C4 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet udalostí s číslem realokování sektorů
C5 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet podezřelých sektorů
C6 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet neopravitelných sektorů
C7 200 200 __0 000000000003 Počet chyb v kontrolním součtu UltraDMA
C8 200 200 __0 000000000000 Počet chyb při zápisu sektorů
-- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000: 427A 3FFF C837 0010 0000 0000 003F 0000 0000 0000
010: 2020 2020 2057 442D 574D 4152 5430 3036 3531 3237
020: 0000 4000 0032 3031 2E30 3142 3031 5744 4320 5744
030: 3235 3030 4141 4A53 2D30 3056 5441 3020 2020 2020
040: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 8010 0000 2F00
050: 4001 0000 0000 0007 3FFF 0010 003F FC10 00FB 0101
060: FFFF 0FFF 0000 0007 0003 0078 0078 0078 0078 0000
070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 001F 0706 0000 0044 0040
080: 01FE 0000 746B 7F61 4123 7469 BC41 4123 407F 0018
090: 0018 0000 FFFE 0000 80FE 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
100: 5970 1D1C 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 5001 4EE0
110: 004D D1B7 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 4010
120: 4010 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0029 0000
130: 0000 0000 0000 1692 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
140: 0000 0000 0004 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
150: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
200: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 303F 0000 0000 0000
210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
220: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
230: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 1000 0000 0000 0000 0000
240: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
250: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 D7A5
-- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 0F 00 C8 C8 47 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 03
010: 00 BA B0 A4 06 00 00 00 00 00 04 32 00 62 62 1B
020: 0A 00 00 00 00 00 05 33 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 07 0E 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 32
040: 00 50 50 99 39 00 00 00 00 00 0A 12 00 64 64 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 12 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 0C 32 00 62 62 AD 09 00 00 00 00 00 C0 32
070: 00 C6 C6 23 07 00 00 00 00 00 C1 32 00 C8 C8 1B
080: 0A 00 00 00 00 00 C2 22 00 6E 60 21 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 C4 32 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 12
0A0: 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 10 00 C8 C8 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 3E 00 C8 C8 03 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C8 08 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 84 00 C0 12 01 7B
170: 03 00 01 00 02 3B 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 01 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 AC
-- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 33 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 15
010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 8C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 07 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 00
040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C0 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C1 00 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 C4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C8 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0D
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Disk je v pohodě. Stáhni GoldMemory , je to v ISO, takže to vypal jako /bootovací/ obraz disku. Nabootuj z toho a zkontroluj RAM. Pozor ale, trvá to dlouho dle velikosti paměti a tak je dobré to nechat kontrolovat večer. Pokud se ti tam začnou objevovat červené errory , pak není nutné s kontrolou pokračovat. Taková RAM je na odpis.
Pokud tam máš více modulů RAM je dobré je kontrolovat jednotlivě.
Pokud tam máš více modulů RAM je dobré je kontrolovat jednotlivě.
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Promin , jak to myslíš bootovací ? Co mam udělat ? Hodit celou tu složku na CD a ? :)
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Vypal to jako obraz ISO, ne jako data.
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Mam na výběr ISO i jako Bootovací takže co mám dat ? :)
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Však na té stránce je to zdůrazněno, snad tutorial anebo návod jenom je to třeba číst. Za zeptání člověk sice nic nedá, ale při troše inicïativy se najde řešení dříve. 
Edit: v čem to vypaluješ? ISO bude obraz disku a bootovací je totéž - Nero?

Edit: v čem to vypaluješ? ISO bude obraz disku a bootovací je totéž - Nero?
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jj Nero11 ,ale já nejsem na PC zrovna expert takže se radši ptám :)
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A není rychlejší použít MemTest?
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